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April 27th, 2008 @11:31 pm  

Before anyone comments about the grammar in this article. I am well aware that there a few words missing and that there a lot of run on sentences. It was 3 o’clock in the morning when this article was written.

tavman
April 30th, 2008 @1:03 am  

Flawed analysis. You have to flip the Galactica last supper pic to get it to sync up with Da Vinci’s. The character positions match MUCH better when you do that. That makes Adm Adama Bartholemew and Rosslyn Simon. This leaves the empty chalice in Phillip’s position, not Judas’. Chief Tyrol is in Judas’ seat and after the last two eps, it kind of fits that he’s going to betray *someone*. I don’t have a clue if it’s the Cylons or Humans, though. Phillip is usually listed as the FIFTH disciple, btw.

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @2:56 am  

I understand your point of view on this however I do not believe that flipping, folding, or schrunching the picture will do a thing. Thats just one my opinion though! Obviously I could be wrong and I will eat crow at the end of the season if I am.

jwillis
April 30th, 2008 @3:21 am  

I think your right!

anonymous
April 30th, 2008 @5:28 am  

Small nitpick: Inviere means “insurrection” in old Geminese, not “resurrection.”

FawnDoo
April 30th, 2008 @9:27 am  

Interesting analysis, but I don’t think the “Valley of Darkness” section holds up. When Anders was scanned by the raider and identified as a Cylon, all of the Cylon fighters pulled out and immediately stopped fighting. If the Cylon Centurions that boarded Galactica identified Dualla as one of the Final Five, then why did they continue with their boarding action and try to vent the ship’s atmosphere into space? As I recall they were only stopped with a last-minute shot from Apollo, but they were heading for the damage control room that contained the atmospheric controls. Wouldn’t this have killed a humanoid Cylon, something the Centurions weren’t capable of at the time?

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @11:20 am  

@Anonoymous: You might want to watch Razor one more time! They clearly say that that Inviere means resurrection in the begininning of the show.

@Fawndoo: You may be right! The way I saw the “Valley of Darkness” is that they did not harm Anastasia Dualla because it was against their programming however they did not know why it was against their programming. Then you watch the new season and you see the theme that “something has changed”. Not saying your wrong though you could be right. I totally respect your opinion!

Michael Hinman
April 30th, 2008 @2:22 pm  

I think this is a great and thorough analysis, and to be honest, I think a lot of it makes sense.

We can nitpick this to death, but one thing I wanted to point out was that I don’t believe that Number Three was talking to the 12th Cylon in the Temple of the Five. In fact, I believe she was talking to Tigh.

I don’t think rolling her eyes would evoke such an apology. But popping someone’s eye out and torturing them, etc … that might be something you would want to apologize for. :)

But I’m with you on the rest of this. I think it sounds very plausible.

major fatty blunt smoker
April 30th, 2008 @3:46 pm  

it’s sad when people think “down the rabbit hole” is a Matrix reference… i think that was when the theorizing lost all credibility for me (gods save the wikipedia!)

and to pat yourself on the back for it! *WEEP*

catku
April 30th, 2008 @5:42 pm  

Kandyse McClure has debunked this. She’s stated at Con’s and interviews that she is not the final Cylon (and is disppointed that she’s not)

catku
April 30th, 2008 @5:48 pm  

Kandyse McClure has said at cons and during interviews
that she is not. But they’ve been know to obfuscate
about things.

Maeg
April 30th, 2008 @5:57 pm  

“Now knowing that the final Cylon is on the Galactica we can assume that D’Anna sees Anastasia because Anastasia Dualla is the only person on Galactica that she has any “real” contact with in the episode ‘Final Cut’.”

When she said “Forgive me,” I thought she recognized Anders as one of the Final Five, because she almost killed him in “Downloaded.”

I like your “Razor” reasoning though. That made a lot of sense.

I’ll be really disappointed if it’s her, though. She’s been in the background the entire series. RDM said it wasn’t one of the main characters, but I don’t know if I believe him or not.

ROSLINADAMAHEART
April 30th, 2008 @6:13 pm  

DUALLA! Holy crap! I like this. Very plausible. I like the way you presented it, typos be damned.

Mike in Maine
April 30th, 2008 @6:24 pm  

The problem I see is that the final five Cylon’s viewed by Number 3 in the Temple on the Algae planet have to be 4000 years old. I think the final five are copies of Cylons from a previous cycle at least 4000 years prior to the show. Number 3 recognized at least one so that one (and why not the others) has to be a copy of a 4000 year old Cylon. I doubt the final five Cylons were created 50 years before the BSG show. I have no problem with Dualla being number 1. I find it less interesting who the final five are than where and when they are from. If there is another explanation as to how the final five appeared in the temple other than they are images of ancient Cylons I’d like to hear it.

Toaster
April 30th, 2008 @6:32 pm  

The toasters have that module in them that prevent them from reasoning. The pet-like raiders do not have the same intelligence as the toasters so I suspect that may not have this restrictive module in them.

Since the toasters had this module I think it prevented them from aborting their mission in the episode “Valley of Darkness”. They would have recognized Duala as a Cylon and then aborted the mission.

I like how Tigh was the one that figured out what the toasters were going to do and set the defense of Galactica in motion. A little final-five protection plan. Go Tigh!

Flaknugget
April 30th, 2008 @6:47 pm  

Going back to the last supper image, one thing you didn’t mention, but supports Anastasia (or Saul’s wife), being final cylon is all the romantic couples from the show are seated together. The empty seat is next to Lee and Saul, both of whom were/are married to final cylon candidates.

Anywho, great article. This is the best case I’ve seen.

If a minor support character like Tory can be among the final 5, then certainly a slightly more prominent yet still easily ignored character like Anastasia would make a perfectly surprising choice for the final 1.

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @7:37 pm  

Ladies and Gentleman I am so well aware that Alice in Wonderland is the original reference to the quote “lets see how far the rabbit hole goes”. Now having said that I would think that a reference to the Matrix would be a much better fit to my analysis due to the fact that we are speaking of Science Fiction.

Besides the fact that Alice in Wonderland to me is not something I would ever reference ever in my life. I read plenty of books and have read plenty of books. If all you can think of when you read my analysis is that quote then please move on. It isn’t helping with the conversation. It is actually downright “snarky” to imply in not so many words that I am an imbelcile that does not read books. I am quite offended by it however I have decided not to change the post to reflect the correct reference because I want the post to stay the same with no edits.

So yes we all know Alice is the correct reference. Personally I would like to see the people who keep pointing that out take the time it took to write this analysis. This was not a top of my head thing. I had to look up all the names of the episodes, research a little on mormonism, learn a little about astronomy, and also about astrology. So hopefully you can see that I read plenty.

Shane

anonymous
April 30th, 2008 @8:25 pm  

Flaw in “The Episode Reason” - Apollo saw the Lagoon Nebula in Scorpio, not Sagittarius.

Shane Coffey
May 1st, 2008 @1:36 am  

It is not me that is flawed and here is my reason in the show they made a mistake because the Lagoon Nebula is in the constellation of Sagittarius. Battlestar Galactica writers have admitted this was an error in the show.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagoon_Nebula

You can also read this from Battlestar Wiki http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Home%2C_Part_II

And I qoute from the wiki:
“If the map displayed in the Tomb of Athena is from the perspective of an Earth-bound viewer, the Lagoon Nebula should be in Sagittarius, not Scorpio. This error has been acknowledged by the producers.”

Aang
May 1st, 2008 @5:02 am  

What about the connection to Anastasia of Russian history? She was the lost, final daughter of the Romanovs, who according to legend, survived.

Anonymous
May 1st, 2008 @8:56 am  

Good job, interesting analysis.

A little tip though, whilst I’m certainly not known for my mistake-free posts on the internet, if you’re sensitive about people challenging your literacy (and it seems that you are), you might want to proofread your posts.

And I did read your first post “Before anyone comments about the grammar in this article. I am well aware that there a few words missing and that there a lot of run on sentences. It was 3 o’clock in the morning when this article was written.”

“that there a few words missing” should be “that there ARE few words missing”

“that there a lot of run on sentences” should be “that there ARE lot of run on sentences”

If you write something at 3am, why not wait until the next morning when you have a clear head to re-read what you have written?

Again, this is not an attack, I did enjoy your analysis (I don’t agree, but that’s neither here nor there ;-). I just think that the post (and the apologia) may have benefited from a quick check.

If you write another BSG post, I’ll be sure to check it out.

Shane Coffey
May 1st, 2008 @10:41 am  

I was going to write in this piece about the Romanov’s but decided in the end that it may not fit to well. I though it would be to hard for me to get that point across.

Heymbit
May 1st, 2008 @6:39 pm  

Ever since Valley of Darkness I was sure Dee was the last cylon. I always figured the centurians were programmed to only harm cylons, not kill them, so their mission couldn’t be interrupted.

Thex1138
May 2nd, 2008 @1:33 am  

One other method of deduction could be to find out who the Number Three has met and eliminate the final four from that equation…

Nicoch
May 2nd, 2008 @10:44 am  

Didn’t Dualla keep her maiden name when she married Lee, meaning that she can’t be what Leoben was referring to? He was probably just screwing with her mind.

Prrrr
May 2nd, 2008 @12:04 pm  

If Dee were cylon version of Zoe, as you say, wouldn’t Bill Adama remember how she look liked and know that that was she/it?

radii
May 2nd, 2008 @5:52 pm  

Interesting. But let’s remember that Moore, Eick and the writers have openly discussed how freeform the story development has been outside of some basic story parameters. For example the mandala design (the vortex swirl) on Kara’s apartment wall was later made much more meaningful for later episodes. And the creative team hemmed and hawed about who to name as the final five before they decided upon Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Anders and the as yet unnamed Final Cylon. Lastly, I believe the whole Jesus symbolism they are toying with now is misdirection and the story will conclude with a Greek God structure. The Cylons are always saying that time repeats and “all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again,” so the end must be the beginning and who did we meet at the beginning of this story but Number Six. It is dramatic considerations that will likely be paramount in the creative team deciding the Final Cylon - which character will have the greatest dramatic impact? I don’t think Dualla’s character is up to the challenge. Although I like her as an actress and think she’s done fine work on the show, Kandyse McClure lacks the gravitas as an actress to really pack a punch that that reveal will have for the audience.

I’ve done my own empirical analysis at Galactica Variants if you care to check that out:
http://www.galacticavariants.blogspot.com

Orkrist
May 4th, 2008 @12:47 pm  

Very interesting assumption. After reading the Caprica spoilers, I came to very similar conclusions like you did. Main weekness of you conclusion is - from my point of view - the fact, that you think the final one has to be a female. Therefore you think that the final one is Zoe.
I think, the final one might be Ben Stark. Together with all your Sagittarius analytics, this makes Tom Zarek the final one.

Overheal
May 4th, 2008 @6:57 pm  

couple points:

- Holographic projection: okay its a bit far fetched for one thing. For another Dee was not present during the events on Kobol and this is where Baltar had the majority of his most profound vision. There were no skinjobs on caprica that would have been capable of causing the projection unless you wish to include Tyrol - but I think thats just a long shot.

- Dianna’s vision of the final 5: I hardly think she was apologizing to Dee. Yes, she ran into her. But she also would have come across Tyrol and Anders and Tory and Tigh during the occupation of New caprica… but which one lost their eye? I would believe she was apologizing to Tigh.

- I’d say the soundest theory you have is the marriage to Lee Adama: but A for effort pinning everyone to zodiac signs :p

Shane Coffey
May 4th, 2008 @10:03 pm  

@Orkrist: For some reason my gut tells me that the final Cylon will be female. Hopefully my entire scenario is right because this document was over 4000 words :)

tiorn
May 5th, 2008 @11:49 am  

Interesting theory, but I think you’re missing something. In Razor, the Hybrid rambled off a prophecy which included the following about the final cylon…

“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”

So the final cylon is ‘hungering for redemption’.

Remember that Tom Zerak was a political prisoner who committed acts of terrorism against the colonists. Now, in the storyline, he is in line to succeed to the presidency when Laura Roslin dies. But yet, he knows all too well that his coming presidency will always be scrutinized because of his past sins. He seeks atonement.

Shane Coffey
May 5th, 2008 @12:10 pm  

People like Roslin, Zarek, Adama and Starbuck are all too predictable to me. I think they may be throwing us a curveball in my humble opinion. All will be revealed :)

tiorn
May 7th, 2008 @4:30 am  

I agree that they would throw as many curveballs as possible, but I think the line about ‘hungering for redemption’ can’t be ignored. It may turn out to be Dee, but until I see how the Hybrid’s prophecy would solidly point to Dee, I just can’t see that it would be her.

I guess that it could depend on the definition used for ‘redemption’.

My first thought on that is that it means ‘atonement’ (for past sins), which certainly fits Tom Zarek extremely well. Zarek is clearly doing that through out the series. He’s a prisoner at first. He is greatly feared because of the campaign of bombings that he conducted based on his political motives. He leads a prisoner revolt, but agrees to end it diplomatically. His methods are extremely shady, but he is showing more and more that he is interested in the welfare and rights of the remaining colonists. He proves this even more by slipping Lee the secret document about executive branch controlled courts that Roslin did not want publicized. Finally, he is in a position that could see him step to the forefront of leadership of the colonists… redeeming him of all his past indiscretions. Clearly, this storyline is still being developed in this final season.

If it is meant to imply ‘acceptance’ or ‘approval’, then it -could- possibly apply to Dee and her needs with her relationship with Lee. So far, it seems that this storyline has taken a backseat to everything else, especially this season.

There is the rest of that prophecy by the Hybrid: “… that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.” This is intended either to represent the overall war (which has already been terrible) or it represents a coming suffering (a betrayal). How this part of the prophecy plays out will ultimately determine who the final cylon is, I would have to say. If the ‘terrible suffering’ refers to the overall war, then I think it would have to be Zarek. But if it refers to something that has yet happened in the storyline, then it may very well be Dee… as she betrays Lee out of desperation for his approval.

Papa Burgundy
May 11th, 2008 @5:23 am  

I don’t understand why everybody believes that the cylon image that D’Anna apologizes to is the final (12th and unknown) cylon. There is no indication that is the case. I believe that the image she apologized to was Saul Tigh. At this point in the story they had already tortured him and taken his eye. Which adds the next question as to why the cylons were able to injure another cylon like that.

Think about it.

Shane Coffey
May 11th, 2008 @8:26 am  

Please see the entire article I have thought about! :)

sentient
May 12th, 2008 @4:30 pm  

A search on Powerset claims Dualla is the final Cylon:

Take a look at the first hit in the results, it’s Anastasia.
The result text says - “Anastasia Dualla, the fifth and final cylon on the critically acclaimed television show, Battlestar Galactica”

http://www.powerset.com/explore/pset?q=final+cylon&x=48&y=9

Yep
May 14th, 2008 @8:57 am  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anastasia

Its meaning is usually given as “resurrection”, but its literal translation is “she who shall rise up again”. The name, and its male counterpart, were often given to Greek children born around Easter time during the early days of Christianity. It is the name of several early saints.

mudfoot
May 14th, 2008 @10:26 pm  

Ok due to the casting of a non-black as Graystone. I’ve got a contingency pick. Part of me still thinks its Dualla though. The pick, Kat. Why? Well she’s dead and her showing up again would have that wow factor, which the last model should have. She took the name of someone else so we really don’t know where she came from or her real name other than Sasha. So she could be related to the Adamas in some fashion. Tiorn you actually gave me the clues.
The hybrid prophecy.
Still in shadow = death,
Will claw toward the light= the star cluster,
Hungering for redemption=the stims, losing the Carina in the star cluster, stealing the dead woman’s identity.
That will only come in the howl of terrible suffering=radiation poisoning
She was going to tell Adama something when she died. Was it that she had lied to him or something else?

Paul
May 14th, 2008 @11:47 pm  

I have thought it was Dee as well, for much of the same reasons. Leoben, for all his deceptiveness, has been more right than wrong. “Adama is a Cylon.” In light of the original hybrid’s remarks, it’s interesting how they have kept Dee “in the shadows” by having the cast never referring to her as “Lt. Adama” but always as “Dee.” Of course, the same could be said for Starbuck. She never changed her name to “Kara Anders.” Still, that, and considering how little airtime she has gotten in season 4 have me all the more convinced.

Speaking of hybrids…your discussion of the upcoming Caprica series and the Graystones’ involvement in creating the Cylon got me thinking…

What if the “original/first hybrid” is Daniel Graystone? (Sends chills down my spine.)

He subjects himself to Cylon technology to stay alive which somehow gives him the ability of precognition. The age of the original hybrid would be about right — someone who was in his 40’s before the first Cylon War would be about 80+ during “Razor.” It would also explain his comment, “My children believe I am their god.”

globalshadow
May 17th, 2008 @4:30 am  

Not that this has any reason or argument behind it whatsoever & I’m sure it’s been mentioned in one of the million or so BSG posts, but….

Am I the only one who will be a bit saddened if Tom Zarek is the final cylon? Since Richard Hatch was the original Captain Apollo, I gave BSG a chance early on because of his involvement.

Sorry, just the ramblings of the child in me…

DrFrost
May 22nd, 2008 @12:51 am  

Questions/comments:

1) There is evidence that the first five models are very different. There’s no reason to assume that they were not capable of bearing offspring. So I don’t think you can use this as a basis to rule out Cally (though I don’t think she’s a cylon for other reasons). There’s also no reason to assume that their offspring would show the “strangeness” that Hera’s blood work showed. If their reproductive orgrans were simple clones of some person’s DNA then they could have completely human children.

2) The original 5 cylons could have their own means for resurrection. They built an empire through the 7 other models so lets not underestimate their resources.

3) Because of #2 it could definitely be someone who has died already (though I don’t see any likely candidates on that list).

4) There’s no reason to assume that Zoe, Ben or Tamara still exist… though it’s a very interesting question. They’d have to be Tigh’s age, which rules out a lot of people.

5) Where has it been said that the final cylon can control the others? I’d very much like to see your source on that one (I’m not saying you’re wrong… just that that bit of information would be huge and I’d like to know where it came from).

6) Having the “Holy Grail” in the position of the last cylon could also mean it’s a “red herring.” In other words, it doesn’t exist in the way you assume.

7) Did Leoben really say “Adama is a cylon.” Wow… where the !$%^$ was I to miss something like that. I should buy the entire series and watch it again…. If this is true then it implies that Leoben KNOWS at least one of the remaining five models… why isn’t he speaking up?

8) I saw Valley of Darkness and I don’t recall being shocked that Dualla survived… did I miss something big there as well?

9) When D’Anna was apologizing to the vision in the temple, I can’t see her apologizing in that manner for what she did to Dualla when Tigh was one of the faces before her. Why would she walk up to Dualla and apologize so profusely for the minor grievences she commited against her when Tigh is there. She was either apologzing to Tigh or Kara… or someone who represented the humans as a whole like Adama or the President. But, regardless, that doesn’t really exclude anyone.

10) I know everyone has assumed that the final cylon is not in the last supper picture… but reading Moore’s quote does not convince me of that. It smacks of someone letting you believe whatever conclusion you’ve falsely jumped to without giving anything away.

There was an episode a few seasons back with a number six was on Galactica and Baltar, at first, thought it was just another one of his “delusions” but she was real (other people saw her). While she was present, if I recall correctly, Baltar didn’t have any visions. And then she just “disappears” and the visions come back.

I think the final cylon is capable of causing these visions in humans and cylons alike. Furthermore, she may look just like one of the seven other cyclons (where better to hide a tree but in a forest). Wouldn’t it be strange if she actually looked like any other 6? How appropriate would that be considering who is at the center of the last supper picture? Or, perhaps, she’s able to change appearances… download to any model she chooses… or download to models that look however she wants so she could essentially look like anyone. Afterall, looks are just the external shell so to speak.

If this were true… looking for the final model in the list of current characters would, indeed, be like looking for the holy grail. She’s been there all along (I don’t why I keep referring to it in the feminine form but I’m going to stick with it) as Baltar’s visions… as 6’s visions… but you didn’t realize it. And, again, look at the character at the center of last supper picture. It’s not really 6 is it? It’s the version of 6 from Baltar’s vision!

tiorn
May 29th, 2008 @8:04 pm  

@Papa Burgundy…

Cavil took Tigh’s eye. Cavil has shown that a refusal to attack based on the presence of the final five is unacceptable. Perhaps his closed mindedness has shielded him from being able to recognize any of the final five. While at the same time, the raiders and centurions have not been blinded by their ‘programming’ (until Cavil ordered that they be reprogrammed).

@DrFrost…

Leoben did make the ‘Adama is a cylon’ statement to Roslin just before she had him executed. First season, I do believe. Tensions were running high between Adama and Roslin for control of the fleet and I believe that Leoben was well aware of that and feeding into the tension even more with that statement. Nothing more than that at all, in my honest opinion.

It makes perfect sense to me that D’Anna could have been apologizing to Anders. She did try to kill him after all. So the assumption that she was apologizing to Tigh or Dee doesn’t really have much weight to it for me, especially when it was Cavil that took Tigh’s eye.

On the last supper picture, I do believe that Moore’s quote was that the final cylon was not ’seated’ at the table. That has led to some assumptions about those who were standing or not seated on a bench (Roslin, Adama, Helo, Head-Six… and even Tyrol is unseated). I really don’t buy into that either. I think it is a secondary character that has had a strong presence in one or more of the shorter story arcs. Dee, Zarek, Cally, among others, certainly fit that bill.

Personally, I think it has to be either Dee or Zarek. Zarek better fits the common definitions of the terms used in the Hybrid’s prophecy. Tweaking those definitions, however, can easily fit Dee.

hydie
May 30th, 2008 @11:06 pm  

I also believe that Dee is the final cylon, though I have several hang-ups with your argument. Some criticism:

1) I don’t remember ever being told that the last cylon could control the others. What is your source for this information?

2) Although you offer compelling speculation regarding Zoe Graystone’s possible involvement with the Battlestar storyline, you have not actually given any evidence that links Dee to her. You have linked her to the final cylon, but not to Dee personally. In fact, one of the only things we know about Zoe was that she was presumably Caprican (considering the title, “Caprica”) — not Saggitaron. Also, Dee’s history (as given to D’Anna Biers) may not be the full truth, but it has to at least be a good cover. If she were secretly Zoe, there is no reason she would not have aged — and would appear to be a peer of Colonel Tigh.

3) You seem to be operating under the assumption that the final cylon is responsible for Baltar’s visions of Six. It’s possible, but there is no evidence for that. Take into account that Head Six often gives Baltar information that no one aboard either the Galactica or the Cylon baseships has any business knowing. For instance, where to bomb the cylon’s mining operations. Dee would not have that information, and even if the cylons were aware of this vulnerability, not even Baltar’s real Six would share it with him. Baltar also told Tory in a very recent episode that Six (presumably Head Six — he fumbles and then restates that it is Caprica Six but appears to be lying) “revealed” to him Roslin’s interaction with Athena and Caprica Six. Again, Dee would not know this.

It is more plausible that Head Six is actually telling the truth, or something near it, when she tells him that she is “an angel sent by God” to protect and love him (or something along those lines.) Head Six has taken on an increasingly spiritual role in season four, and I believe that the creators are building up a sort-of “trinity” that consists of Baltar, Head Six, and the Cylon God. Baltar has already emulated the sacrifice of Christ by offering himself in exchange for the sick son of his follower. Head Six would be the Holy Ghost, who acts as an intercessor between humanity (Baltar) and God. The Cylon God is of course the figurehead. Anyway, this is kind of not-related to the final cylon…but I wanted to bring up the fact that the cylons have a mythology that consists of more than themselves.

Anyway, that’s my theorizing.

Paul
June 4th, 2008 @10:39 pm  

The other thought I had along the Hybrid/Graystone line is that the current female hybrid series are updated versions of Zoe. Basically, my thinking is this: Hybrids are early versions of humanoid/Cylon experiments. Daniel Graystone wasn’t the first, but he was the progenitor of the Cylon line — Zoe was one of the first and has been “cloned” (for lack of a better word) and updated to run Basestars.

Dualla is from Earth (somehow) and “fundamentally different” from the rest and not a Graystone.

Just my 2 bits.

Tigh=EpicFail
June 8th, 2008 @9:39 pm  

I have a HUGE criticism of your placement of each cylon model in accordance with the zodiac. Saul Tigh: “tenacious, conservative, resourceful, disciplined, wise, ambitious, prudent, constant?”. LOL really? You’re telling me that Saul Tigh, the alchoholic madman who broke down when forced into a position of actual authority is all of thee above? I personally don’t believe he possesses any of these charachteristics.

I think the comparisons are flawed for almost all of them, but Tigh was the most egregious. While I am not saying it isn’t Dualla, I think this whole theory of model number orders based on the zodiac is comepletely incorrect.

Shane Coffey
June 9th, 2008 @1:38 am  

@Tigh=EpicFail

Opinions vary and just a note its just a TV show calm down a bit.

Nick
June 9th, 2008 @3:54 am  

The fifth is Cally Tyrol.
1. The chalice and dagger in the last supper picture.
2. The chalice represents the divine feminine.
3. The dagger represents the divine masculine.
4. The chalice is in the fourth position from the right, the dagger is in the fourth position from the left. There is a symmetry here. The chalice and dagger are the equal and opposite reaction of one another.
5. DaVinci allegedly painted these symbols into the original “Last Supper” painting according to Sangrael legend (the holy grail being the bloodline of Christ via his marriage to Mary, which resulted in the birth of a child). Cally and Galen had a child.
6. Two cylons can procreate together; thus, it is not necessary for Cally to be human.
7. When they reached the nebula, Cally did not respond to the music because she was taking drugs, which caused psychosis; she did not know what was real and what was not. Further, Cally said to Cottle that when they reached the nebula she had not been sleeping well and she was taking the pills to keep from going crazy. Tory also told Roslin prior to reaching the nebula that she had not been sleeping well.
8. When Tory and Chief are talking in Joe’s Bar, Chief says to Tory that he looks in the mirror and doesn’t know what he is. Tory responds by asking how things are going with Cally. The image cuts to showing Cally entering Joe’s Bar in a mirror, which suggests that we should be questioning what Cally is. Additionally, right before she is sent out the airlock and mirror image of her is inserted into the frame you can tell because the blood on her face shifts from one side to the other. Perhaps this is a reference back to the beginning of the show to tells us that what we think is happening is not really happening; that she is not in fact dead. Moreover, when the camera shows Cally’s dead face it does not show her right eye. The right eye is significant because Tigh’s right eye was removed and the Raider scanned Ander’s right eye.
9. The pills that Cally is taking are blue in the beginning of the episode and red toward the end, perhaps in a nod to the Matrix: blue pill equals ignorance, while the red pill equals truth and knowledge.
10. In the frackparty podcast, RDM’s wife said that Tyrol was married to a human, RDM responded yeah he’s married to a hum, and quickly jumped to another subject.
11. When Cally discovers Galen and Tory in Joe’s Bar she becomes very upset and vomits; Tory vomited when she was hearing the music.
12. When Cally is in the launch tube with Tory, Tory says, “none of us knew until we reached that nebula.” Cally responds, “FRAK, TRIGGERED, FRACK!” There is no reason for her to use the word “trigger” at all in that scene. Further, in one of the previous episodes, Tory states to the other three Cylons that the nebula must have been some sort of trigger.
13. People seems to think that the Razor Hybrid’s prophecy of the Fifth must necessarily refer to some huge indiscretion or that the suffering must necessarily be that of others. The exact words of the hybrid were: “And the fifth still in shadow will claw toward the light seeking redemption that will only come in the howl of great suffering.” However, I think this part of the prophecy refers to Cally’s death scene when she is in the launch tube and awaking from Tory’s assault the camera pans in on the light then shifts to Cally clawing toward her son’s blanket. In addition, the redemption she is seeking is that of betraying her husband and son, perhaps she beleives that she has killed Galen and feels both guilty for that and her attempt to kill herself and her child. Lastly, the howl of great suffering refers to her actually death by vacuum exposure. The howl could refer both the sound of the air in the tube being “sucked” out as well as the air being sucked out of her lungs. Death by vacuum exposure is extremely painful while the person is conscious.

Nick
June 9th, 2008 @4:17 am  

One other thing I forgot to mention above is that D’Anna’s apology in Rapture could have been to Cally. In the episode Precipice, Boomer is talking to D’Anna about getting Cally released. D’Anna states that no it won’t happen and that Cally had tried to murder Boomer and that Cally’s death was maybe the will of God. D’Anna did not know that Cally survived New Caprica. And I think that would be a significant enough event to apologize to someone about.

Tigh=EpicFail
June 9th, 2008 @5:39 am  

Dude, I am not that worked up at all. And if I was worked up it wouldn’t be over the show it would be over your stupidity. Furthermore, it takes balls to write a 10 page essay on the nature of the final cylon, and then tell me I am taking things too seriously for posting a response it took me five seconds to write.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Logically then, you are entitled to your extremely incorrect opinion that makes no actual sense and clearly wasn’t thought over much at all. Don’t post your thoughts if you don’t want feedback you dick.

Shane Coffey
June 9th, 2008 @4:12 pm  

@Nick

Your analysis is really good and maybe right. When we find out who the final cylon is then if I am wrong than I will say it. Thanks for the comment.

@Tigh=EpicFail

Again opinions vary.

daff
June 11th, 2008 @3:13 pm  

she could also be apologizing to Anders, and who was the reason the “first act of cylon on cylon violence” was committed (6 killing 3)

I can’ imagine that d’anna would apologize for being rude in a moment of religious awakening

RickSpringfieldRedux
June 11th, 2008 @5:12 pm  

Fascinating post, and one of my favorite theories so far!

However, I disagree. I think Ron Moore knew from day one that his final Cylon surprise would be the emotional linchpin the show deserves. I could pick a hundred clues clues along the way to solidify my theory, but I will share the only clue that matters–and the only clue that proves it can’t be anyone but a being who has resided on Earth in the last fifty years:

“All Along the Watchtower”.

The musical trigger that reveals the “Four” in season three’s finale is the only intentional giveaway you need to acknowledge to draw an indisputable conclusion: Zak Adama is the final Cylon.

True, Moore said in an interview that Dylan doesn’t exist in the Battlestar universe, but he admitted the “idea” of Dylan existing to create verisimilitude with Earth–the one we all know and live on–does exist. No other character in the show would have any way of knowing this song unless he/she has LIVED ON EARTH recently.

Zak Adama is the only character in this show’s universe that could have been there (and still is there, I believe, drawing both races to him now), unless you make the rotten assumption that the final Cylon lives in the fleet, has been to Earth and knows the way there but just isn’t telling anyone. That is as lame as it gets. I think Moore and crew knew this all along.

Dying leader? Maybe Zak is likely president of the U.S or holds some other high office of power on Earth.

The “Forgive me…I didn’t know” line from #3? She was the Cylon who ordered the kill on Zak when his ship failed, something Zak intended to have happen. We’ll learn this in the next couple of episodes and see it in flashback.

The Leobin line of “The final Cylon is Adama.” Not a lie. He just doesn’t know it is Zak. Probably believes it to be Lee.

Starbuck’s visions? Do we really think she’s supernatural? No, Zak just transferred knowledge to her somehow when they were together.

And finally, and this is the most important reason why it has to be Zak–there is NO emotional resonance with ANY other character. Will anyone CARE if it is Dualla? Really? Or Tom? Or Gaeta? Cally? Come on, who really would care in their guts and hearts if it is one of these minor characters who aren’t deeply tied to our main characters? Maybe Billy would achieve some emotional charge, but not even a sliver of what we’d get with Zak. The emotional centers of the show ar and always have been Bill Adama, Lee Adama, Starbuck, and Roslin. Only Zak will bring the emotions of the show to the peak it deserves. I think this is right and true from the emotional and logical angles. It all fits and nothing is cheated.

Now if only I can find proof that Rick Springfield once covered Dylan’s tune, the circle of proof would be complete…

zak
June 12th, 2008 @3:44 pm  

this article falls into the trap laid by RDM’s gang there is a far simpler explanation for the final cylon that I found here

http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2309161

this one must be on the right lines, it sees through the deception and misdirection laid down in the show and you gives you a different answer to anything that proposed before

RickSpringfieldRedux
June 13th, 2008 @4:26 pm  

I’ve read these kinds of theories before, and I’m always amazed by the intelligent analysis and research put into them. This is why I love sci-fi and love sci-fi fans!

However, what hardcore fans always seem to trip on is the same here as with other theories on great stories like BG: 1) complexity versus simplicity, and 2) deep philosophy versus deep emotion.

Bear in mind how little time the writers will have to tie up the major threads in the second half of the season, and how important it will be to emotionally resonate with their audience. They need to move at a breakneck pace toward the climax or risk losing all momentum on the return to Earth. The FFg, FFh business is fascinating and reads a hardcore sci-fi fan’s wet dream, but the metaphysical aspects and religious layers get too heavy and complicated to execute in a couple hours’ worth of television. Such theories have so much philosophy and requires so many “sitting on a log” explanations that it wouldn’t be satisfying to the bulk of the show’s fans.

Perhaps the final Cylon isn’t Zak, a