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April 27th, 2008 @11:31 pm  

Before anyone comments about the grammar in this article. I am well aware that there a few words missing and that there a lot of run on sentences. It was 3 o’clock in the morning when this article was written.

tavman
April 30th, 2008 @1:03 am  

Flawed analysis. You have to flip the Galactica last supper pic to get it to sync up with Da Vinci’s. The character positions match MUCH better when you do that. That makes Adm Adama Bartholemew and Rosslyn Simon. This leaves the empty chalice in Phillip’s position, not Judas’. Chief Tyrol is in Judas’ seat and after the last two eps, it kind of fits that he’s going to betray *someone*. I don’t have a clue if it’s the Cylons or Humans, though. Phillip is usually listed as the FIFTH disciple, btw.

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @2:56 am  

I understand your point of view on this however I do not believe that flipping, folding, or schrunching the picture will do a thing. Thats just one my opinion though! Obviously I could be wrong and I will eat crow at the end of the season if I am.

jwillis
April 30th, 2008 @3:21 am  

I think your right!

anonymous
April 30th, 2008 @5:28 am  

Small nitpick: Inviere means “insurrection” in old Geminese, not “resurrection.”

FawnDoo
April 30th, 2008 @9:27 am  

Interesting analysis, but I don’t think the “Valley of Darkness” section holds up. When Anders was scanned by the raider and identified as a Cylon, all of the Cylon fighters pulled out and immediately stopped fighting. If the Cylon Centurions that boarded Galactica identified Dualla as one of the Final Five, then why did they continue with their boarding action and try to vent the ship’s atmosphere into space? As I recall they were only stopped with a last-minute shot from Apollo, but they were heading for the damage control room that contained the atmospheric controls. Wouldn’t this have killed a humanoid Cylon, something the Centurions weren’t capable of at the time?

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @11:20 am  

@Anonoymous: You might want to watch Razor one more time! They clearly say that that Inviere means resurrection in the begininning of the show.

@Fawndoo: You may be right! The way I saw the “Valley of Darkness” is that they did not harm Anastasia Dualla because it was against their programming however they did not know why it was against their programming. Then you watch the new season and you see the theme that “something has changed”. Not saying your wrong though you could be right. I totally respect your opinion!

Michael Hinman
April 30th, 2008 @2:22 pm  

I think this is a great and thorough analysis, and to be honest, I think a lot of it makes sense.

We can nitpick this to death, but one thing I wanted to point out was that I don’t believe that Number Three was talking to the 12th Cylon in the Temple of the Five. In fact, I believe she was talking to Tigh.

I don’t think rolling her eyes would evoke such an apology. But popping someone’s eye out and torturing them, etc … that might be something you would want to apologize for. :)

But I’m with you on the rest of this. I think it sounds very plausible.

major fatty blunt smoker
April 30th, 2008 @3:46 pm  

it’s sad when people think “down the rabbit hole” is a Matrix reference… i think that was when the theorizing lost all credibility for me (gods save the wikipedia!)

and to pat yourself on the back for it! *WEEP*

catku
April 30th, 2008 @5:42 pm  

Kandyse McClure has debunked this. She’s stated at Con’s and interviews that she is not the final Cylon (and is disppointed that she’s not)

catku
April 30th, 2008 @5:48 pm  

Kandyse McClure has said at cons and during interviews
that she is not. But they’ve been know to obfuscate
about things.

Maeg
April 30th, 2008 @5:57 pm  

“Now knowing that the final Cylon is on the Galactica we can assume that D’Anna sees Anastasia because Anastasia Dualla is the only person on Galactica that she has any “real” contact with in the episode ‘Final Cut’.”

When she said “Forgive me,” I thought she recognized Anders as one of the Final Five, because she almost killed him in “Downloaded.”

I like your “Razor” reasoning though. That made a lot of sense.

I’ll be really disappointed if it’s her, though. She’s been in the background the entire series. RDM said it wasn’t one of the main characters, but I don’t know if I believe him or not.

ROSLINADAMAHEART
April 30th, 2008 @6:13 pm  

DUALLA! Holy crap! I like this. Very plausible. I like the way you presented it, typos be damned.

Mike in Maine
April 30th, 2008 @6:24 pm  

The problem I see is that the final five Cylon’s viewed by Number 3 in the Temple on the Algae planet have to be 4000 years old. I think the final five are copies of Cylons from a previous cycle at least 4000 years prior to the show. Number 3 recognized at least one so that one (and why not the others) has to be a copy of a 4000 year old Cylon. I doubt the final five Cylons were created 50 years before the BSG show. I have no problem with Dualla being number 1. I find it less interesting who the final five are than where and when they are from. If there is another explanation as to how the final five appeared in the temple other than they are images of ancient Cylons I’d like to hear it.

Toaster
April 30th, 2008 @6:32 pm  

The toasters have that module in them that prevent them from reasoning. The pet-like raiders do not have the same intelligence as the toasters so I suspect that may not have this restrictive module in them.

Since the toasters had this module I think it prevented them from aborting their mission in the episode “Valley of Darkness”. They would have recognized Duala as a Cylon and then aborted the mission.

I like how Tigh was the one that figured out what the toasters were going to do and set the defense of Galactica in motion. A little final-five protection plan. Go Tigh!

Flaknugget
April 30th, 2008 @6:47 pm  

Going back to the last supper image, one thing you didn’t mention, but supports Anastasia (or Saul’s wife), being final cylon is all the romantic couples from the show are seated together. The empty seat is next to Lee and Saul, both of whom were/are married to final cylon candidates.

Anywho, great article. This is the best case I’ve seen.

If a minor support character like Tory can be among the final 5, then certainly a slightly more prominent yet still easily ignored character like Anastasia would make a perfectly surprising choice for the final 1.

Shane Coffey
April 30th, 2008 @7:37 pm  

Ladies and Gentleman I am so well aware that Alice in Wonderland is the original reference to the quote “lets see how far the rabbit hole goes”. Now having said that I would think that a reference to the Matrix would be a much better fit to my analysis due to the fact that we are speaking of Science Fiction.

Besides the fact that Alice in Wonderland to me is not something I would ever reference ever in my life. I read plenty of books and have read plenty of books. If all you can think of when you read my analysis is that quote then please move on. It isn’t helping with the conversation. It is actually downright “snarky” to imply in not so many words that I am an imbelcile that does not read books. I am quite offended by it however I have decided not to change the post to reflect the correct reference because I want the post to stay the same with no edits.

So yes we all know Alice is the correct reference. Personally I would like to see the people who keep pointing that out take the time it took to write this analysis. This was not a top of my head thing. I had to look up all the names of the episodes, research a little on mormonism, learn a little about astronomy, and also about astrology. So hopefully you can see that I read plenty.

Shane

anonymous
April 30th, 2008 @8:25 pm  

Flaw in “The Episode Reason” - Apollo saw the Lagoon Nebula in Scorpio, not Sagittarius.

Shane Coffey
May 1st, 2008 @1:36 am  

It is not me that is flawed and here is my reason in the show they made a mistake because the Lagoon Nebula is in the constellation of Sagittarius. Battlestar Galactica writers have admitted this was an error in the show.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagoon_Nebula

You can also read this from Battlestar Wiki http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Home%2C_Part_II

And I qoute from the wiki:
“If the map displayed in the Tomb of Athena is from the perspective of an Earth-bound viewer, the Lagoon Nebula should be in Sagittarius, not Scorpio. This error has been acknowledged by the producers.”

Aang
May 1st, 2008 @5:02 am  

What about the connection to Anastasia of Russian history? She was the lost, final daughter of the Romanovs, who according to legend, survived.

Anonymous
May 1st, 2008 @8:56 am  

Good job, interesting analysis.

A little tip though, whilst I’m certainly not known for my mistake-free posts on the internet, if you’re sensitive about people challenging your literacy (and it seems that you are), you might want to proofread your posts.

And I did read your first post “Before anyone comments about the grammar in this article. I am well aware that there a few words missing and that there a lot of run on sentences. It was 3 o’clock in the morning when this article was written.”

“that there a few words missing” should be “that there ARE few words missing”

“that there a lot of run on sentences” should be “that there ARE lot of run on sentences”

If you write something at 3am, why not wait until the next morning when you have a clear head to re-read what you have written?

Again, this is not an attack, I did enjoy your analysis (I don’t agree, but that’s neither here nor there ;-). I just think that the post (and the apologia) may have benefited from a quick check.

If you write another BSG post, I’ll be sure to check it out.

Shane Coffey
May 1st, 2008 @10:41 am  

I was going to write in this piece about the Romanov’s but decided in the end that it may not fit to well. I though it would be to hard for me to get that point across.

Heymbit
May 1st, 2008 @6:39 pm  

Ever since Valley of Darkness I was sure Dee was the last cylon. I always figured the centurians were programmed to only harm cylons, not kill them, so their mission couldn’t be interrupted.

Thex1138
May 2nd, 2008 @1:33 am  

One other method of deduction could be to find out who the Number Three has met and eliminate the final four from that equation…

Nicoch
May 2nd, 2008 @10:44 am  

Didn’t Dualla keep her maiden name when she married Lee, meaning that she can’t be what Leoben was referring to? He was probably just screwing with her mind.

Prrrr
May 2nd, 2008 @12:04 pm  

If Dee were cylon version of Zoe, as you say, wouldn’t Bill Adama remember how she look liked and know that that was she/it?

radii
May 2nd, 2008 @5:52 pm  

Interesting. But let’s remember that Moore, Eick and the writers have openly discussed how freeform the story development has been outside of some basic story parameters. For example the mandala design (the vortex swirl) on Kara’s apartment wall was later made much more meaningful for later episodes. And the creative team hemmed and hawed about who to name as the final five before they decided upon Tigh, Tory, Tyrol, Anders and the as yet unnamed Final Cylon. Lastly, I believe the whole Jesus symbolism they are toying with now is misdirection and the story will conclude with a Greek God structure. The Cylons are always saying that time repeats and “all of this has happened before and all of this will happen again,” so the end must be the beginning and who did we meet at the beginning of this story but Number Six. It is dramatic considerations that will likely be paramount in the creative team deciding the Final Cylon - which character will have the greatest dramatic impact? I don’t think Dualla’s character is up to the challenge. Although I like her as an actress and think she’s done fine work on the show, Kandyse McClure lacks the gravitas as an actress to really pack a punch that that reveal will have for the audience.

I’ve done my own empirical analysis at Galactica Variants if you care to check that out:
http://www.galacticavariants.blogspot.com

Orkrist
May 4th, 2008 @12:47 pm  

Very interesting assumption. After reading the Caprica spoilers, I came to very similar conclusions like you did. Main weekness of you conclusion is - from my point of view - the fact, that you think the final one has to be a female. Therefore you think that the final one is Zoe.
I think, the final one might be Ben Stark. Together with all your Sagittarius analytics, this makes Tom Zarek the final one.

Overheal
May 4th, 2008 @6:57 pm  

couple points:

- Holographic projection: okay its a bit far fetched for one thing. For another Dee was not present during the events on Kobol and this is where Baltar had the majority of his most profound vision. There were no skinjobs on caprica that would have been capable of causing the projection unless you wish to include Tyrol - but I think thats just a long shot.

- Dianna’s vision of the final 5: I hardly think she was apologizing to Dee. Yes, she ran into her. But she also would have come across Tyrol and Anders and Tory and Tigh during the occupation of New caprica… but which one lost their eye? I would believe she was apologizing to Tigh.

- I’d say the soundest theory you have is the marriage to Lee Adama: but A for effort pinning everyone to zodiac signs :p

Shane Coffey
May 4th, 2008 @10:03 pm  

@Orkrist: For some reason my gut tells me that the final Cylon will be female. Hopefully my entire scenario is right because this document was over 4000 words :)

tiorn
May 5th, 2008 @11:49 am  

Interesting theory, but I think you’re missing something. In Razor, the Hybrid rambled off a prophecy which included the following about the final cylon…

“And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.”

So the final cylon is ‘hungering for redemption’.

Remember that Tom Zerak was a political prisoner who committed acts of terrorism against the colonists. Now, in the storyline, he is in line to succeed to the presidency when Laura Roslin dies. But yet, he knows all too well that his coming presidency will always be scrutinized because of his past sins. He seeks atonement.

Shane Coffey
May 5th, 2008 @12:10 pm  

People like Roslin, Zarek, Adama and Starbuck are all too predictable to me. I think they may be throwing us a curveball in my humble opinion. All will be revealed :)

tiorn
May 7th, 2008 @4:30 am  

I agree that they would throw as many curveballs as possible, but I think the line about ‘hungering for redemption’ can’t be ignored. It may turn out to be Dee, but until I see how the Hybrid’s prophecy would solidly point to Dee, I just can’t see that it would be her.

I guess that it could depend on the definition used for ‘redemption’.

My first thought on that is that it means ‘atonement’ (for past sins), which certainly fits Tom Zarek extremely well. Zarek is clearly doing that through out the series. He’s a prisoner at first. He is greatly feared because of the campaign of bombings that he conducted based on his political motives. He leads a prisoner revolt, but agrees to end it diplomatically. His methods are extremely shady, but he is showing more and more that he is interested in the welfare and rights of the remaining colonists. He proves this even more by slipping Lee the secret document about executive branch controlled courts that Roslin did not want publicized. Finally, he is in a position that could see him step to the forefront of leadership of the colonists… redeeming him of all his past indiscretions. Clearly, this storyline is still being developed in this final season.

If it is meant to imply ‘acceptance’ or ‘approval’, then it -could- possibly apply to Dee and her needs with her relationship with Lee. So far, it seems that this storyline has taken a backseat to everything else, especially this season.

There is the rest of that prophecy by the Hybrid: “… that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.” This is intended either to represent the overall war (which has already been terrible) or it represents a coming suffering (a betrayal). How this part of the prophecy plays out will ultimately determine who the final cylon is, I would have to say. If the ‘terrible suffering’ refers to the overall war, then I think it would have to be Zarek. But if it refers to something that has yet happened in the storyline, then it may very well be Dee… as she betrays Lee out of desperation for his approval.

Papa Burgundy
May 11th, 2008 @5:23 am  

I don’t understand why everybody believes that the cylon image that D’Anna apologizes to is the final (12th and unknown) cylon. There is no indication that is the case. I believe that the image she apologized to was Saul Tigh. At this point in the story they had already tortured him and taken his eye. Which adds the next question as to why the cylons were able to injure another cylon like that.

Think about it.

Shane Coffey
May 11th, 2008 @8:26 am  

Please see the entire article I have thought about! :)

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